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hey guys welcome back to the disclosure

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team youtube channel in this interview i

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speak to former cia operative ben smith

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he is the host of the tv show roswell

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the first witness i hope you enjoy

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thank you

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today how are you doing

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i'm doing great thank you for having me

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this is exciting

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yeah my pleasure it's really i've been

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looking forward to speaking to you um so

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before we jump into talking about the

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show could you just give us a little bit

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of a background on yourself about your

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career and things like that yeah sure my

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name is ben smith i'm a former cia

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operations officer a case officer in

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hollywood parlance that would be like a

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field operative um

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but my job was to collect intelligence

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uh overseas abroad um from human sources

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so i would recruit and handle sources um

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collect intelligence use tradecraft to

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protect their identities and um the

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information

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and then uh write reports a lot of

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reports and uh send them back to

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washington

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uh resigned a couple years ago to pursue

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creative interests um investigative

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interests like like roswell and uh also

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to pursue my now wife

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so uh made that choice that hey look uh

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i've got one bird in the hand i've had a

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pretty exciting career uh pretty

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stressful life um

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and

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i got a good thing going here so let's

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um let's see what else i can do um so i

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resigned and since then i've done a

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little bit of tv work

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um i

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appeared on a chauffeur discovery

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channel we went to columbia looking for

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uh pablo escobar's money which was

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pretty funny had a good time with one of

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my my buddies colleen one of my

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colleagues and then um did a little

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documentary about a um looking for a

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world war ii plane in burma which we

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found which is great a buddy of mine an

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fbi agent a buddy of mine

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and now this show so

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uh jumping right in the thick of um you

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know the ufo world the universe i should

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say and um really kind of wrestling with

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the facts and um i'm i'm loving it i'm

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really enjoying the space and um wish i

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could have been doing it my whole life

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so before you took on this job um

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hosting the roswell show what was your

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history with ufos was it an interest at

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all or was it just something that you

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didn't really think about that often

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yeah absolutely i actually um i'm a big

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science fiction fan uh in public media

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right so a huge fan of the x-files and

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um you know all

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a lot of the great science fiction

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fiction classics our system our thirsty

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clark is a huge passion of mine um

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so i always was interested in that space

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and before i even got involved with this

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project actually i had to prove a little

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bit of my credibility uh to history

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channels like no i really want to do

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this investigation like yeah but you

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know what

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you have to prove you you love ufos but

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i've actually been to a disclosure group

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um i live in new york city and i've been

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to a group many times just out of

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personal interest to try to figure out

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like

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what are these people experiencing can i

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use my ability skills to um kind of

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to put together some overarching theory

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of ufology like what's going on

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uh and

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and this is before

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you know the government started getting

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involved with these questions and uh and

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and then also honestly i've also written

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this that's put a personal plug because

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it's very bad but i also wrote it like a

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a scientific a science fiction um novel

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you know dealing with this idea that if

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aliens are here

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how and they want and they want to be

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secret about it how would they how would

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they operate how would they move about

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this space how would they collect

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information on the human species and i

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brought in my background in espionage

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and intelligence to figure out like all

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right what are the how could they be

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hiding where would they be putting their

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bases and it was just more of a thought

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experiment really a terrible novel but i

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had a great time doing it and um i think

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it really prepped me to be

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to be ready to go out and jump right in

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the middle of the roswell

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story

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in the u.s

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yeah that's amazing um so then you

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obviously you know realize that you're

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going to be hosting this show on roswell

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which is probably the most famous ufo

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case in history did you feel any anxiety

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or was it just pure excitement when you

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knew you were going to be looking into

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such a big case

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mostly pure excitement because that

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usually gets the better part of me the

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the idea of adventure of new knowledge

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of a new experience kind of really drew

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me to that place but also a little like

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you said anxiety that

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everything's been done

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um i'm a total noob i you know

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i don't i may even have like a

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background hurtful to the investigation

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for people who are already um

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uh you know already suspicious of

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government or former government

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personnel working in this play space

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although lou elizondo made it quite a

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lot easier for me

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of being involved in this space at all

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so it was um definitely daunting to try

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to catch up and then there's so much

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research has been done over decades

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uh but fortunately and that's the best

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part of the show and for me learning

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experience going to interview all of the

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best investigators don schmidt um

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leslie kane uh from the new york times

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like all of these phenomenal people that

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have been studying this for decades and

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and like just plugging into their brains

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and and getting right to the the facts

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was was really fun

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that sounds great and am i right in

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saying that there was actually some new

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evidence that you were able to

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to use to help with the investigation

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for for the show yeah just talk about

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that briefly

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yeah two two main pieces of evidence one

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we have a journal that belonged to jesse

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marcel senior so uh with a date with

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information

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logs in that journal capturing the range

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of the roswell experience so

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this this journal was found among few

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possessions passed down to his children

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right so this grand children and then

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grandchildren base they got a trunk and

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in the trunk with some clothes and stuff

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and then uh a little binder and in that

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binder was some military documents in

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this journal so right away like what of

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all the things to pass down

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the heirlooms that you could give to

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this journal uh and when you crack it

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open it's got dates that span roswell

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and then also as a former intelligence

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option you can see that like something's

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there's some cryptic

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jargon there's some language there's

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some interesting quotes but like there's

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no narrative and there's dates at every

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point so uh for me as for someone who

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has used sort of uh techniques to to

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capture inform information in plain

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sight like this seems like a

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a technique to either remember something

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to recall facts or or to hide something

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potentially through encryption so jumps

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out right away okay here's a primary

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source document these are rare and

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there's never been anything else that

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in the possession of a witness at

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roswell with um you know

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for that time period so of course then

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we had to authenticate it and then and

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go down that rabbit hole like who wrote

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it why what's in it can we decrypt it is

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the other piece of data that we had

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which was super interesting are the the

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new evidence was we using technology to

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go actually um do some forensic

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investigation of the crash site itself

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which has never been done before they've

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done some archaeological digs

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those are tend to be very focused

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and the the pyramiding is so hard you

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can only dig so deep and it can be quite

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onerous but to go out there get permits

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to bring some drone technology to image

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every little piece of sand on that um

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in multi-spectral in multi across the

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spectrum of you know radio frequencies

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right so we're looking at infrared we're

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looking for uh we we brought a gamma-ray

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a gamma radiation detector out there we

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brought all kinds of cool stuff gizmos

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to see is there anything left right can

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we find evidence of a ufo crash is there

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anything left to be found

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can we find anything that corroborates

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witness eyewitness reports uh like a

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gouge or something in the earth that

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might might represent a high impact of

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something into the earth and can we find

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any evidence of a cover-up so

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uh were there bulldozers out here

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removing stuff and cranes and large

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trucks and is there any evidence of a

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large-scale uh military footprint here

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so those are kind of things we're after

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going out to this uh this site um which

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hadn't been done before which is pretty

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wow that's great and am i right in

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saying that you also had somebody

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analyze the actual photo of major marcel

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with the weather

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balloon debris

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right so we brought in um some body

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language experts so well as a former uh

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intelligence officer you know i have to

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validate this vouch for everything that

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we do and say and we actually had a

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producers on this show were

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uh also a former journalist so very

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committed to

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backing up any any potential claims we

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make or vetting um eyewitness reports or

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or any evidence uh you know

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scientifically or uh you know as best

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scientifically as we can to prove that

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it in fact is what it what they say it

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right well can we validate what they say

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so in this particular instance you know

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that uh jesse marcel

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photo sorry one is we

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we brought in jesse uh a body language

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expert to come in and read jesse's

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face and figures and family and looking

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at that across footage from different um

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sorry i'm waving my hands in front of

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the camera here but looking um

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looking at uh you know is jesse lying in

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this photo what is he saying what is his

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at a subconscious level that can't be

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determined and and to confirm some of

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the interesting things that his family

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claimed and he claimed and then also we

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were able to take a look at this um

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photograph

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and dive into it at the molecular level

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so using some some new imaging

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technology you know uh super super

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computers to process this to getting

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past just the kind of like the

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two-dimensional thing and actually

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looking at the silver grains inside the

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photo to see if we could tease out more

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details the general ramy memo right the

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famous memo uh and he's holding

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something in his hand

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um that's blurry uh well can we like

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enhance

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the molecular level and see like where

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are those connections being made in this

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lettering so we do you know everything

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someone says they have ufo debris we're

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going to test it oh we find something on

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the site we're going to test it you know

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uh just really bringing in that science

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and technology too

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to find answers

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excellent and did you look into where

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the

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debris may have possibly been taken

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after the

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you know the alleged crash

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uh so we started with the the series is

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titled first witness uh mostly because

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we focused on the roswell uh or the

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marcel family

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because he was the most credible witness

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uh apart from mac brazil who was there

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on on site as well yeah um and the first

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to experience this and potentially kept

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to breed it pass it on to his children

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uh so we focused on that and we i think

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in the latter we did chase down threads

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we don't get to them in the show and we

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weren't able to get finality on some of

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those um leads just because of the

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limited uh resources and time but um we

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do know from witnesses that it did it

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went to uh

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went to dallas the airfield of dallas

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and then it went on to a base in ohio

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and you know we did talk to some family

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members and some individuals who claimed

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that yeah my uncle was a pilot and um

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he was in charge of the logistics for

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that or for the father they didn't

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really make any of the show either but

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we did talk to plenty plenty of

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witnesses say yeah my father was a

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somebody on that flight and he said

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something crazy happened and it wasn't a

341
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weather balloon uh so just a lot of

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uh confirming tertiary evidence

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confirming kind of the general

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trajectory of events that came out um

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you know immediately after that big

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press release

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great now you mentioned that you met um

348
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leslie kane the new york times

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journalist and she was discussing her

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investigation into more recent events

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such as the 2004 nimitz encounter with

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the tic tac

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have you got any thoughts on that case

354
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uh uh well i not any probably not any

355
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more intelligent than other people have

356
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said i you know as a case officer uh my

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job was human uh collection so

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collecting from human sources i didn't

359
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really deal with technology

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only when it may have involved like

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foreign craft when i read uh when i read

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uh the cia's releases of uh declassified

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documents from the cia i see a lot of

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reports

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the ufo perspective is well

366
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someone said they saw a ufo well we

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think it's a um some advanced technology

368
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some advanced bomber some fighter uh you

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know maybe uh missile technology let's

370
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go collect on the ufo because it could

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be

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uh

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like an immediate threat in in known

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human capabilities so it was in my

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perspective in reading those documents

376
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it was never quite

377
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let's go after this information because

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we think we actually think it's a ufo it

379
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was always um

380
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uh something else like

381
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sure the witnesses says this but we

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actually think it's this uh in terms of

383
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the the the tic tac videos you know i'm

384
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as perplexed as anybody uh i think some

385
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of the uh

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the convincing

387
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uh idea or quote and i i have to look up

388
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the youtube video here i could send you

389
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the link afterwards but i'm sure you've

390
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seen it one of the pilots on a i found

391
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it on reddit i'm a big fan of the uh the

392
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ufo subreddit um uh

393
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uh one of the pilots that says look i've

394
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one of the who captured that footage i

395
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have seen things i wasn't supposed to

396
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see before

397
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in my mind that's experimental aircraft

398
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that's experimental missile technology

399
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something he's seen it before every time

400
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that happens

401
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as soon as he gets off that place that

402
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plane somebody's on that airplane on

403
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that airfield getting him to sign an nda

404
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and and he says you know

405
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at this point like nope there was nobody

406
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nobody came

407
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to make me sign an nda and to me that's

408
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pretty convincing that

409
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um you know that is something if it is

410
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truly experimental

411
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few i don't think any government agency

412
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would risk something like that getting

413
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out exposed and they would certainly

414
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enforce an nda so that was pretty

415
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convincing for me but that's you know

416
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the best that i have to go on and my

417
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experience you know with that kind of

418
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field

419
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excellent so just going back to the

420
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roswell case um and your investigations

421
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how did it feel towards the end or at

422
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the end of the investigation speaking

423
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with the the grandchildren of jesse

424
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martial senior were they

425
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you know what how did they feel about

426
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uh they were they were quite pleased i

427
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felt um we were able to

428
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establish just a great rapport and great

429
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connection and i think they were really

430
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finally pleased that their grandfather

431
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was being vindicated right that there

432
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was a mountain of evidence and others

433
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who came out to say the same thing i

434
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feel like they felt that he had been

435
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burned a little bit by the government

436
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that they had they hadn't backed him up

437
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on what he saw and they threw him under

438
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the bus when it was convenient and um

439
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and and you know maligned his

440
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credibility

441
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and to research this and finally no he

442
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he wasn't crazy he wasn't a liar

443
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um

444
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do we have 100

445
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certainty do as an investigator do i

446
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have 100 certainty that he

447
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had possession of a ufo in his hands i

448
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don't have that yet that's what i need

449
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but uh do i believe him that he believed

450
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it yes do i think he was lying to

451
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himself and others for fame or for

452
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uh you know a last hurrah before you

453
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know in his old age no i don't i think

454
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he was telling the truth and uh for

455
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the family to go through that

456
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:06,720
investigation with me and watch me

457
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kind of arrived to the same conclusion

458
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was very uh validating for them and um

459
00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:13,839
it was yeah it was just a great

460
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experience to be involved with the

461
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family

462
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excellent i'm really glad to hear that

463
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um so finally my last real question is

464
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after all of this

465
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what do you think crashed on that day in

466
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1947

467
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ah

468
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well there's still this is the

469
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frustration of doing a tv show is that

470
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:35,360
there's still evidence out there um you

471
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know like the show ended we ran it we

472
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went we blew through our budget in

473
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record time

474
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uh and then covet hit so we didn't get

475
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to investigate all of the little leads

476
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that we had yet to tie off and you know

477
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as any this is an expense this is the

478
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interesting

479
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uh

480
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journalism and and like scientific um

481
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research right all of that costs money

482
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and to do something of this magnitude

483
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cost a lot of money and there there are

484
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no

485
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institutions that are going to risk

486
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their credibility giving any one of

487
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their doctorates or phd candidates

488
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money to go research something like this

489
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so

490
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we don't get that level of scientific

491
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scrutiny that that we want uh and then

492
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you know the the media side has to make

493
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money on this stuff uh to keep the the

494
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dream alive to hopefully do more to take

495
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on other projects that have public or

496
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public interest uh

497
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and yet sometimes there's not enough

498
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like people they want complete and

499
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answers every time and these things take

500
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multiple seasons and nobody's doing this

501
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:40,559
for charity right like it's there are a

502
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few people who do it for their uh their

503
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their their own

504
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uh passion like some of the famous

505
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researchers researchers out there like

506
00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:50,880
don schmidt and others who do this

507
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their whole lives they put into this

508
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project uh so a program like this falls

509
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right in the middle that we are

510
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we have to attract people to watch this

511
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show because it's cool and it's exciting

512
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and we do make progress in answering

513
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some pretty uh parts of this mystery

514
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that were unsolved before

515
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but the the journey's not over and

516
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there's more to collect so you know if

517
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:14,480
it's successful if the show

518
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uh attracts enough viewers uh we can

519
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,400
justify going like these shows are

520
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expensive like really really expensive

521
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to make uh and it's a taking a lot of

522
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risk to

523
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to to send a whole film crew and live

524
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out in the desert for six weeks you know

525
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out at the crash site which is what we

526
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did you know it's it's insane but

527
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um except to say that like this is um

528
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you know it's a balance and we did the

529
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best we can and there's more there's

530
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more to find out so at the end of the

531
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day what do i believe

532
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i'm still waiting the jury's out we we

533
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:45,919
got a few pings of some strange readings

534
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:47,200
in that debris field i think there's

535
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something still buried there

536
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,039
whether that's um

537
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:54,240
you know if it's if it's a neoprene

538
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:57,760
uh tin foil coded neoprene

539
00:19:02,150 --> 00:18:59,919
that could support the mogul theory that

540
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,160
this was a top secret you know listening

541
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:04,480
device flown over the soviet union

542
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:11,909
now it raises all new kinds of questions

543
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,559
we did kind we did plenty of testing on

544
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,919
debris

545
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:17,440
that people volunteered that they had

546
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:20,640
collected from the debris field um and

547
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:22,799
uh the reports were inconclusive we

548
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,000
would need to destroy the actual

549
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,240
uh piece of evidence to determine

550
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,480
whether it was extraterrestrial aluminum

551
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,240
like that alloy that some of the

552
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:34,400
isotopes in that piece of metal were

553
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,120
were shaped outside of

554
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,039
you know earth's origins

555
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,120
well then uh we need to destroy it and

556
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,799
well then

557
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,160
who's going to give up their the one

558
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,880
piece of roswell debris so

559
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uh

560
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,840
but you know if we continue this

561
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,200
investigation long enough we could

562
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,200
attract enough attention bring enough

563
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:55,679
credibility to it from the um you know

564
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,520
the media or the government perspective

565
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,360
maybe we can force more openness and

566
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,039
honesty on this issue because i

567
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,600
personally you know i i think that i

568
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,120
don't buy the mobile

569
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,120
i don't buy the mogul balloon project i

570
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,720
don't think the evidence the facts

571
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,720
support that um

572
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,640
i think the government was lying about

573
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,919
the cover-up i think there was a

574
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,240
cover-up i think that there's still

575
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:18,960
information out there hidden whether

576
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,280
willfully or just through negligence or

577
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,360
just through time because it happens

578
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,280
over time uh you know there's but

579
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,640
there's boxes of information still

580
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:28,080
around that if people took this

581
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,600
seriously they could find and they could

582
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,280
disclose um

583
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,880
but um

584
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,080
and i think it's there i think it's

585
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,960
there to be found so i i i hope that um

586
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:38,880
the government starts taking more

587
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,679
accountability for uh cover stories

588
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,000
things that it uses to sell

589
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:46,960
um secret programs to the to the public

590
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:49,919
i think the the pendulum is swinging now

591
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:50,799
where

592
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,919
the it we're seeing the the negative uh

593
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,840
side of that the the unexpected

594
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,520
consequences of

595
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,600
something like that where now we have we

596
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,760
have a crisis of trust in government

597
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,440
which is something that i think

598
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,200
disclosure and certainly and more

599
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:07,760
honesty on these issues uh could really

600
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,559
could uh bridge bridge that gap so i

601
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:11,600
think there's a lot of work to be done

602
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:14,159
but so that's a long way of saying like

603
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:17,520
i i'm still agnostic i i'm true i i

604
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,720
totally believe

605
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,960
that marcel family and and jesse

606
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,880
marcel's experience but i need that

607
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:24,960
evidence and i don't have it yet but

608
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,159
there are some clues indicating that uh

609
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:31,440
and more and more more information to be

610
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,400
found

611
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:34,240
that could validate what the witnesses

612
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,200
are saying

613
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,880
coming into this i thought well this is

614
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,640
going to be a two-week investigation

615
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,919
because it's gonna i'm gonna sit down

616
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,679
with the interviewer with the look at

617
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,320
this not the suspect or the uh it's

618
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:46,000
gonna sit down with the uh

619
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,200
the uh

620
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,880
interviewee

621
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,880
and the subject and i'm gonna say it's

622
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,880
gonna take me about 10 15 minutes to get

623
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,039
an emotional feel for this person

624
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,880
20 10 15 minutes to hear the length of

625
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,200
the story maybe three or four hours or

626
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:01,200
days to sort of cross-examine with

627
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:02,320
different kinds of questions from

628
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,520
different angles to see about

629
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,520
consistency and whether there are gaps

630
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,280
in the story or whether things where i'm

631
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,240
getting signals of a deception i thought

632
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:11,440
that i would do that a couple times and

633
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,320
i'd see oh okay well this is um

634
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,640
there's not really much here except that

635
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,919
every time i did this it raised new

636
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,600
questions that we could chase and then

637
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,520
it it ended up turning up new witnesses

638
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,679
or new new information um and things

639
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,320
that had not been pursued before

640
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,760
so i was totally confused you know by

641
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,960
the end i'm like

642
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,320
i'm supposed to have an answer people

643
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,159
want answers and i don't

644
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,360
but i think

645
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,200
i think it's exciting and i think we're

646
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,840
on the right we're on the right path

647
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,400
excellent that's so fantastic and i

648
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,720
cannot wait to to see the show over here

649
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,440
in the uk um but for now ben thank you

650
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:46,880
so much for joining me i really

651
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,840
appreciate it and um yeah all the best

652
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,520
yeah thank you for having me it's a it's

653
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,400
a real uh honor to be on your show be a

654
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,159
part of the discussion so thank you

655
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,640
thank you take care there you go guys i

656
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,480
hope you enjoyed the interview for

657
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everyone in the uk you can watch the

658
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show roswell the first witness november